Lilux-info October 2004

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Re: [gnu.org #213194] RedHat conditions of use

by \"Brent Frère\" ＠ bfrere . net via RT

First, let me thank you for your rapid, professional and pertinent answer. It helps all of us to understand more accurately the issue. license-violation(a)fsf.org wrote: > In general, these sorts of licenses apply only to the bits which are not > under the GPL. In a typical Red Hat distro, this is mainly the Red Hat > Network client (but please check carefully). To my understanding, this contract covers all the RedHat product and services. They seems to mix the two notions. At least, it is not explained what software exactly is covered by the proposed agreement. For me, product means RedHat Linux Enterprise (ES, AS or WS) and service means RedHatNetwork, but this is only my perception of the issue. There is no explanation from their side. When I visit their web site, I don't see any way to purchase a product without purchasing the RHN service. And the contract they propose covers both, so I conclude it also covers the product alone, even if I don't figure out up to now how to have the product alone... > Red Hat may price support at a per-pc price, and may generally make > agreements which support this practice. Such agreements may say that > Red Hat won't sell you support for 50 PCs if you in fact have 500 PCs > running RH software. I fully agree that they have freedom to sell services as well as softwares, even free softwares, and that they have the freedom to price support on per CPU basis, as example, and that they have the right to refuse me support for 50 CPUs if I'm actually running 500 CPUs using the service, but as soon as the only way to purchase the software is by purchasing the service, and the service bans your right to install the software on supplementary CPUs (even if not using the service from those supplementary CPUs), then the conditions of the GPL doesn't seems met anymore to me... I have strong restrictions on my freedom to use the software, which is by the way freedom N°0 from the definition of free software... "Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to _run_, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software: * The freedom to _run_ the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). [...] The freedom to use a program means the freedom for any kind of person or organization to use it on any kind of computer system, for any kind of overall job, and without being required to communicate subsequently with the developer or any other specific entity." More precisely, in the GPL that covers most of the GNU/Linux system, it is explicitely told that: "You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.". I feel the obligation to purchase a chargeable service for any supplementary CPU running the software against this statement. > You still have your full rights under the GPL -- but Red Hat may simply > choose not to sell you support. This is probably what the RH rep meant > when they said that you "weren't allowed" to copy the software. They don't say I'm not allowed to copy the software, they explicitely say in this agreement that in this case I MUST PURCHASE a supplementary subscription to RHN, and that they even have the right to check once a year in my premises the amount of RedHat products that are running... They also confirmed me that if I elected to stop a subscription, I lost the right to run the software... Isn't there something wrong ? I think they should correct their wording, saying that any new installed station SHOULD lead to the purchase of a supplementary subscription, or IS NOT ALLOWED to be patched nor upgraded by use of the RHN provided services or patches. The RedHat behaviour leads to declarations of high-tech leaders that says that due to the support conditions imposed by "OpenSource" companies such as RedHat, RedHat Linux is actually becoming proprietary software. I was shocked when I heard this, and that's why I wished to check the exact licence conditions. I slowly begins to conclude that indeed, through its mandatory and very restrictive agreement conditions, the RedHat distribution does not meet anymore the criterias imposed by the GPL, nor the very basic principles of Free Software. What are your conclusions about this ? Thank you for your time. -- Brent Frère Private e-mail: Brent(a)BFrere.net Postal address: 5, rue de Mamer L-8280 Kehlen Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg European Union Mobile: +352-021/29.05.98 Fax: +352-26.30.05.96 Home: +352-307.341 URL: http://BFrere.net

21 years, 1 month

[gnu.org #213194] RedHat conditions of use

by Dave Turner via RT

In general, these sorts of licenses apply only to the bits which are not under the GPL. In a typical Red Hat distro, this is mainly the Red Hat Network client (but please check carefully). Red Hat may price support at a per-pc price, and may generally make agreements which support this practice. Such agreements may say that Red Hat won't sell you support for 50 PCs if you in fact have 500 PCs running RH software. You still have your full rights under the GPL -- but Red Hat may simply choose not to sell you support. This is probably what the RH rep meant when they said that you "weren't allowed" to copy the software. However, if you have specific information that this is not the meaning of the license, please let me know. -- -Dave "Novalis" Turner GPL Compliance Engineer Free Software Foundation

21 years, 1 month

FW: Shell et Esso => Faites passer...PRIX DE L'ESSENCE ... On perd rien à essayer

by Thierry Coutelier

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Même si vous n'avez pas de voiture, vous pouvez distribuer le message suivant à vos amis, pour une guerre des prix intelligente contre les compagnies pétrolières.... On dit que le prix de l'essence va bientôt dépasser 1.50 Euros le litre... ! Vous voulez que les prix baissent ? Il faut agir conjointement et solidairement. Quelqu'un a suggéré une idée géniale, beaucoup plus sensée que celle qui nous demande de ne pas acheter d'essence tel et tel jour, en avril ou mai dernier. Les compagnies pétrolières ont bien ri de cette démarche parce qu'elles savaient que nous ne pourrions pas continuer à NOUS faire du mal en refusant systématiquement d'acheter de l'essence: c'était beaucoup plus un embêtement pour nous qu'un problème pour elles. Mais la proposition suivante pourrait s'avérer d'une efficacité redoutable, pour autant qu'on l'applique de façon rigoureuse. Prenez le temps de lire ce message au complet et joignez-vous à nous. Les compagnies pétrolières et l'OPEP nous ont conditionnés à croire que le prix qu'ils nous imposent est une très bonne affaire. Mais vous pensez probablement qu'acheter l'essence aux environs de 58,9 cents le litre est une très bonne affaire. Nous aussi ! Nous devons donc mener des actions résolues pour leur montrer que ce sont les acheteurs et non les vendeurs qui contrôlent le marché. Vu la hausse quotidienne du prix de l'essence, nous devons réagir en tant que consommateurs. La seule façon de voir chuter les prix consiste à frapper le portefeuille des compagnies pétrolières en n'achetant pas leur essence, mais sans que NOUS soyons les premiers embêtés. Or, étant donné que nous avons besoin de nos voitures, nous ne pouvons pas nous permettre de faire la grève des achats d'essence. Nous pouvons toutefois avoir un impact réel sur le marché de l'essence si nous agissons tous ensemble dans cette guerre des prix. Voici la proposition: N'ACHETONS P! AS UNE G OUTTE D'ESSENCE AUX DEUX PLUS IMPORTANTES COMPAGNIES PETROLIFERES (qui n'en font plus qu'une maintenant): SHELL et ESSO. Si elles ne vendent pas d'essence, elles seront obligées de réduire leurs prix. Si elles réduisent leurs prix, les autres compagnies devront les suivre. Mais pour créer un tel impact, nous devons obtenir la coopération des millions de clients de SHELL et ESSO. Le Net nous donne le moyen d'y arriver: Ce message a été envoyé à une trentaine de personnes. Si chacune d'entre elles le transmet à environ une dizaine de ses connaissances (30 x 10 = 300), que celles-ci font la même chose (300 x 10 = 3000), et ainsi de suite, ce message aura atteint plus de TRENTE MILLIONS de consommateurs à sa septième génération ! Tout ce que vous avez à faire c'est d'envoyer ce message dès aujourd'hui à 10 personnes en leur demandant de faire la même chose. ET BIEN ENTENDU, EN PARALLELE, N'OUBLIEZ PAS DE BOYCOTTER SHELL ET ESSO. C'est tout. Agissons ensemble pour faire la différence ! Si vous croyez pouvoir provoquer une différence sur le prix de l'essence, passez ce message à vos connaissances. ON N'A RIEN À PERDRE À ESSAYER ! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBePoePOfrcNNQX7oRAmmoAKClHfOuVSv3WYJK78HCLZ3NQd/NTgCeOs8L Z75HYT6hJUZNZpS/X93fs/Q= =UXrj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Fwd: VNC licencing questions

by Brent Frère

Here is a copy of an e-mail I just sent to FSF (legal matters) to have their feed-back and potentially actions against realvnc.com if applicable. I think they might legally do what they do because the code was initially made by AT&T and might have been transfered to this company, so they didn't received it under the GPL, so they can change their mind and "proprietise" it. But it is however a good question to know what the FSF is able and ready to do about this and also what legally happends to the work of the community, that collaborated to the project under the GPL licence, and what protection the community has against such rapt of community-produced free code... The same could happend to OpenOffice, which is "owned" by Sun through the StarOffice contribution, and to Mozilla, which is owned by AOL through the Netscape contribution, and so on... Let's see what will happend... -- Brent Frère Private e-mail: Brent(a)BFrere.net Postal address: 5, rue de Mamer L-8280 Kehlen Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg European Union Mobile: +352-021/29.05.98 Fax: +352-26.30.05.96 Home: +352-307.341 URL: http://BFrere.net

21 years, 1 month

iX international pilot issue as free download

by Eric Dondelinger

Hi, you may be aware of the german iX magazine from Heise, a magazine "for professional IT". They are now testing the waters regarding an english version, called "iX international" - check out http://www.ix.de/en/ This is to be distributed in PDF format via paid subscription. The pilot issue is a free download. As for the german version, I've got my own subscription. They often have quite interesting themes. Since it's about "professional IT", Unix/Linux themes appear quite often, though they also talk about "those other systems". Greetings, Eric

21 years, 1 month

Jobs at Google.

by Thierry Coutelier

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It seems to be serious. If anyone is interested: - --- Subject:Job Posting for Google-Dublin, Ireland From:"mdove" <mdove(a)google.com> Date:Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:12 -0700 To:<lilux-info(a)lilux.lu> Hello Linux Experts from Luxembourg! My name is Marianne Dove. Im a recruiter for Google. I am currently trying to spread the word to all linux and unix experts that Google is currently hiring Linux System Administrators and Engineers from around the globe to work at their Dublin, Ireland site. I was wondering if it would be ok to post on your list. I have pasted the 2 job descriptions below. We would greatly appreciate if you could notify your members about these openings. If its not possible, I do understand. Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely, Marianne Dove Google Recruiter Mountain View, California 650-623-6814 Site Reliability Engineer Google Location: Dublin, Ireland - -We are looking for a detail-oriented systems professional, seasoned Unix jockey, Internet services architect, database whiz, performance analyst, or software engineer, at the top of their game. - -Can you help achieve increased Availability, Reliability, Uptime, and Quality? (for our systems and services, naturally) Site Reliability Engineers (SREs) are involved in all aspects of running our site, from design to debug, from architecture to applications. Google SREs spend their time troubleshooting problems in large-scale clustered application service environments, and focus on making continual improvements to our services. - -Looking for the next cool problem to solve, in a fast-paced and engineering-driven environment? - -Can you write a script or application that performs practically the entire job you once held earlier in your career? - -Does your idea of a good time involve taking things apart just to see how they work? Are you successful putting them back together when you're done? - -This position requires a passion for problem solving, deep understanding of networks, operating systems, multi-tiered Internet services, and the ability to learn new applications and concepts quickly. Strong scripting skills are essential. - -As an SRE, you will wear many hats: performance analyst, service architect, system/database administrator, capacity planner, tools developer, monitoring expert, and technical evangelist, for all components of Google's Ads services. I will take the guess work out of whether or not you are a fit!!! If you can answer yes to all of the following questions, you are a possible fit, so please apply! 1. Do you have at least a BS or BA in computer science or a related technical field or equivalent experience? 2. Do you have 3+ years of experience as a Unix/Linux Systems Administrator or networking architecture experience? 3. Do you have experience in a high-volume or critical production service environment? 4. Do you have experience in Python programming or Perl or scripting? 5. Do you have excellent written and verbal communication skills? Please be sure your resume clearly reflects the experience asked about above. For immediate consideration, please send a word version of your resume to : mdove(a)google.com Important: The subject field of your email must include Site Reliability Engineer - Dublin, Ireland Site Reliability Manager -Google Position based in Dublin, Ireland We're looking for a highly technical, hands-on Engineering or Operations Manager to lead a team of 4-10+ Google software engineers and sysadmins in Site Reliability. Site Reliability teams are directly responsible for Google's stellar uptime record, and act as the guardians and custodians of Google's user-visible services. In the manager role, you will be responsible for ensuring that Google users can always reach and use all of the services under your team's care. Requirements: ~ * Very high technical competence and strong academic record. ~ * Currently holding a very senior or Director level role. ~ * 4+ years of relevant hands-on technical experience, and a record of individual technical achievement. ~ * 3-10+ years of relevant experience managing software development and/or operations teams. ~ * Strong project management skills, especially in deploying live end-user systems. ~ * That rare mix of intelligence, integrity, domain knowledge, verbal agility, and diplomacy which allows you to rapidly earn the trust of technically-astute teams across the company. ~ * BA/BS in CS preferred; MS / Ph.D. a plus. For immediate consideration, please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of your resume to mdove(a)google.com Important: The subject field of your email must include Site Reliability Manager Dublin, Ireland - -- Thierry Coutelier Président LiLux asbl 7, Rue Jacques Sturm L-2556 Luxembourg Office:+352 710725 608 Home:+352 406776 http://www.lilux.lu/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBffeNPOfrcNNQX7oRArrbAJ94aLg/9aGC2nvz6UOBHeGn7vy1jwCgpkWK I+uMBmspFqw6P0YClEOLkD8= =nMkk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

21 years, 1 month

Linux et Shuttle

by Fred

Bonjour, je vais bientot acheter un Shuttle pour mettre dans mon salon (à la place de la télé :-) ) Est-ce que quelqu'un a déjà tenté l'expérience d'installer Linux sur un Shuttle ? Si oui lequel et l'expérience a-t-elle été concluante ? Je sais que MandrakeLinux avait un partenariat avec Shuttle pour MDK9.1 mais je n'ai plus rien vu venir depuis. merci, Fred PS1 : le "meilleur" mini PC du marché http://sys.us.shuttle.com/ PS2 : guide mini PC : http://www.linternaute.com/guides/categorie/28//

21 years, 1 month

The countdown is running too

by Michel Maria-Sube

before US elections you can have a look on these sites: http://www.gwbush.com http://www.netpolitique.net/php/esatire/esatire_world.php3 http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/ http://membres.lycos.fr/thierryprudhon/gwbush.htm have fun M. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

21 years, 1 month

offres d'emploi... Dexia

by Serge Marelli

Salut les gens... Dexia BIL cherche des informaticiens... il y aura en tout de l'ordre de 50 postes et ensuite, probablement plus rien pour les 5 prochaines années... donc... ca va être varié et c'est maintenant ou jamais voir sur leur site Note: oui, j'y travaille et oui, j'ai des actions (plan salarié) :-)) pour le reste, it's your life -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Serge Marelli, Luxembourg E-mail : serge.marelli(a)linux.lu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LiLux - http://www.lilux.lu/ Defending Innovation against Patent Inflation http://swpat.ffii.org/ Free Software Foundation - http//www.fsf.org/

21 years, 1 month

"Mir schwetzen lëtzebuergesch!" an mir?

by Paulo Ribeiro

Hello, Juste une petite question: Apres avoir lu l'article "Mir schwetzen lëtzebuergesch!" dans PaperJam http://www.paperjam.lu/c/articles/9990.html, je me suis demandé où en était-t-on pour Linux? Une recherche vite-fait sur google ne révèle rien.... Y a-t-il une distrib' qui permette d'avoir l'interface en langue luxembourgeoise? Ca serait sympa d'avoir ça dans les lycées par exemple (associé au projet de www.lll.lu)? Aussi au salon SIExpo j'aurais bien vu une rangée de Knoppix( ou du moins quelques postes) en luxembourgeois pex, même si pas tout le monde pourrait s'en servir ... Ca serait une méthode comme une autre de promouvoir Linux, no? Microsoft s'en servira sûrement pour gagner des part de marchée au GDL alors pourquoi ne pas faire de même? BTW, l'article sur OO non mentionné dans mon dernier post est ici: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1676737,00.asp Bon WE, Paulo

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